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Post by tazimafied on May 5, 2012 0:41:47 GMT 1
Al, After doing some more research and using the Futuremark and Passmark lists I found that the intel chips are still outperforming the AMD chips. I found an intel chip on verkkokauppa for 30 euros more but it is a better chip according to the lists. I also found the matching motherboard, 4 gigs of compatible memory or 6 gigs of memory and a power supply to run everything and power the second video card if you ever decide to run SLI. I recomend Win 7 Pro 64 bit because of the ease of use and backwards compatability. I am using it and all my games run beautifully. The grand total is just under 800 euros for the system with 4 gigs of memory and right at 800 euros for the system with 6 gigs of memory before shipping. I'll even throw in a guarentee: If these items don't work together out of the box and neither you or ASUS can get them working I will purchase all the items I recomended from you and pay for the shipping to my door!  Thats how I roll. |
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Post by pershainovitsh on May 5, 2012 10:07:00 GMT 1
Thanks for the help so far. I might not know much about computers but I know how to read: it says that the 3x2GB RAM is only compatible with the i7 Extreme edition, whereas the 2x2GB is compatible with the Intel Core i5 you're suggesting. So I couldn't use the 6GB RAM at all with i5. Or did I misunderstand? With the exception of the OS, your set would be quite precisely 500 euros. Which graphics card did you use in your calculation? The Nividia 560GTX? It seems the clock speed on my computer (AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual) is 3.11 GHz, and with the new i5 it would raise up to 3.3 GHz. Is that much of a difference? The i5 is quad-core, and in total my Athlons are quad-cores as well. (two dual-cores=one quad-core?) And what about the case? I have an Antec Sonata II. ( www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129155) Do you think it would fit, for example, taz's recommendation? Or wobbly's? Am I in a need for a replacement? |
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Post by wobblyone on May 5, 2012 12:48:44 GMT 1
If I were to get a new case, this would be the one. 'Corsair Carbide 500R'. The quality is equal to cases double this price. www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-057-CS&groupid=701&catid=7&subcat=1489I did not think RAM had anything to do with the CPU. I am using 8GB with my i5. It is more to do with the operating system. For example Vista can not use more than 4GB of RAM, so any more and you are wasting money. Windows 7 can use anything you put in as far as I know. |
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Post by pershainovitsh on May 5, 2012 14:03:49 GMT 1
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Post by wobblyone on May 5, 2012 14:56:50 GMT 1
I would spend time researching cases Al (here is another good one) www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-212-CM&groupid=701&catid=7&subcat=You have to think of loads of room for good cooling and future upgrades. (Also space to work) Look for one with removable back panel to give access to rear of the motherboard. This allows you to remove the cooler without taking the motherboard out. (I found out the hard way) Nice power supply by the way. All power supplies and cases are compatable (new ones anyway). Also don't look at anything below 650W. The reason I chose the i5 2500K and GTX 560Ti combo was that they compliment each other well, and they both have masses of overclocking potential. This makes them very good value for money. If you prefer AMD, the Radeon HD7850 is around the same price but I think is faster. (just to complicate things) There are better components out there, but if you are on a tight budget it is all about 'bang for buck' Good luck  |
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Post by pershainovitsh on May 5, 2012 19:59:34 GMT 1
Once again, I've found a good graphics card: translate.google.com/translate?sl=fi&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.verkkokauppa.com%2Ffi%2Fproduct%2F13272%2Fddtbb%2FAMD-FX-4100-3-6-Ghz-4-core-Black-Editon-AM3-suoritin&act=urlIntel i5, recommended for me earlier: translate.google.com/translate?sl=fi&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jimms.fi%2Ftuote%2FBX80623I52500K&act=urlIt's half the price of the Intel i5, has 0.5 GHz more eh, power(?), has double the cache memory and both have four cores. But I couldn't use the Asus P8P67 PRO B3 Intel P67 LGA1155 ATX with the AMD FX-4100, as the Asus is only compatible with i3, i5 and i7. Maybe this mobo (990XA MSI 990FX-GD55 AM3 + ATX Motherboard): translate.google.com/translate?sl=fi&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.verkkokauppa.com%2Ffi%2Fproduct%2F26011%2Fddjvq%2FMSI-990XA-GD55-990FX-AM3-ATX-emolevy&act=urlAll right, let's see how much it would cost me if I'd go with these: - 990XA MSI 990FX-GD55 AM3 + ATX Motherboard; 131,90€ - AMD FX-4100 3.6 GHz 4-core Black Editon AM3 + processor; 111,90€ - Asus AMD Radeon HD 7850 DirectCU II, 2GB GDDR5, DVI/HDMI/2xMini-DP, PCI-E 3.0; 249,00€ - GS800W Corsair Gaming Series 800W ATX Power Supply; 109,90 € - Kingston 2x4GB, DDR3 ECC 1333MHz, CL9; 77,00€ 679,70 €! Wow! That's 50€ cheaper than wobbly's rig, and I even included a power supply on my set. Then the 0€-82€-190€ (there's a small chance I could get it for free, 82€ is for the builder's version and 190€ for the normal version) for Windows 7: 679,70€ or 761,70€ or 861,70€, respectively. It'd probably be the best if I got a new hard drive as well. Maybe something like this: translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?act=url&hl=fi&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=fi&tl=en&u=http://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/56575/dfsnh/Seagate-Barracuda-1-TB-64-MB-7200-RPM-3-5-SATA-III-6&usg=ALkJrhjO6Ify1dck1D3imemH1BcYsPesPQCould anyone check whether these parts are compatible with each other? I'm not 100% sure. |
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Post by wobblyone on May 5, 2012 22:03:55 GMT 1
Al, don't forget the CPU cooler.
All this new kit runs hotter than it used to. I upgraded without thinking of this and my CPU was running at 80/90 degC !!! Now it is 50 max.
When you are up and running download something like 'Real Temp' to check your CPU and GPU temps.
To be honest, I would go for a pre-built rig (with the parts chosen by you)
You then have the guarantee and backup for a small extra £.
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Post by backtothefight64 on May 5, 2012 22:08:49 GMT 1
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Post by tazimafied on May 6, 2012 0:38:03 GMT 1
Al,
You might want to take a look at the Futuremark and Passmark benchmark lists. I linked them earlier. The Intel chips are clocking pretty far above the AMD chips and I think the little extra spent there is going to help you in the long run. Your CPU has a lot more to do with graphics than most people think and I believe the Intel chip is going to give you a more reliable and stable system. The CPU is one place you don't want to go cheap on. I learned that the hard way. I still have three CPU's that I cant get rid of because they are just about worthless.
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Post by pershainovitsh on May 6, 2012 11:08:13 GMT 1
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Post by wobblyone on May 6, 2012 13:35:15 GMT 1
Remember Al, be carefull to match the motherboard to the CPU pin eg. LGA1155 (i5). Choose the CPU then the compatable mobo.
AMD chips use different motherboards
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Post by swfwebmaster on May 6, 2012 15:25:36 GMT 1
Motherboard, CPU, and RAM have to be compatable.
RAM is super cheap and should not have to worry about it too much. 4 to 8 GB should do the trick.
Most important are the CPU and Video Card.
I pulled this out of the "Member Gaming Rig" Thread
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Post by pershainovitsh on May 6, 2012 18:01:55 GMT 1
Wobbly, that's what I'm trying to do and so far pretty succesfully. But I did notice that the Kingston RAM that cost 77€ didn't match the mobos I was looking at so I have to replace it with something else. My possible sets so far: MB: MSI 990XA-GD55 990FX AM3+ 131,90€ CPU: AMD FX-4100 3.6 GHz 4-core Black Editon AM3 + 111,90€ RAM: Kingston Valueram 4 GB 1333 MHz DDR3, CL9 -memory module (24€ for one and the mobo seems to be able to use up to four RAM modules so I guess I could buy 2-4 of these.) 23,90€-47,80€-71,70€-95,60€ HD: Seagate Barracuda 1 TB 64 MB 7200 RPM 3.5" SATA III (6 Gb/s) (I'm not sure if it works with the mobo) 89,90€ PSU: GS800W Corsair Gaming Series 800W ATX Power Supply (I have no idea if this is compatible with anything) 109,90€ OS: Windows 7 (about 100-200€) VG: Gigabyte GV-R785OC-2GD Radeon HD7850 2GB GDDR5 262,90€ Audio: Creative X-Fi (already own, haven't checked if I should replace it) Monitor: Chimei CMV223D (is working fine, I don't think I should replace it) Keyboard: Logitech G15 (don't need replacing) Mouse: Logitech G9x (same as above) Headset: Sandberg something (may replace it) In total it would be 830,40€ at the minimum, 902,10€ with 4 RAM modules, 1002.40€ with 4 RAM modules and the most expensive version of the cheapest Windows 7 (vaguely said, I mean Windows 7 Basic builder's version vs Windows 7 Basic normal version). So it goes over my budget by 2,40€. Pretty good. But what if I go with Intel instead of AMD? I bolded the changes. MB: Asus P8P67 PRO B3 Intel P67 LGA1155 ATX-mother board 154,90€CPU: Intel Core i5 2500K, LGA1155, 3.3 GHz, 6MB 209,00€Actually the rest is the same so no need to list everything here again. In total it would be 1097,40€ at most if I did my calculations correctly. Alright, if I went with a pre-build rig, here's one (without any parts chosen by me) translate.google.com/translate?sl=fi&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jimms.fi%2Ftuote%2FJIMMS-GAMER-AK47&act=urlDo you think it's good? I've had it with computer building for this week. |
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Post by tazimafied on May 9, 2012 1:47:00 GMT 1
Open this link and this link in new tabs to see the side by side comparison between the two chips. You will see that the Intel chip benches out almost twice as high as the AMD. That is why it's twice the price. If you are really stuck on buying an AMD processor go for this one. Just remember even though the AMD chip benches out only slightly higher than the Intel chip its TDP (Thermal Design Power) is rated 30 watts higher than the Intel chip meaning it will possibly consume more power, need a bigger power supply, and more cooling. I have always run the stock fan and heatsync on my Intel chips and never had cooling issues. |
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Post by tazimafied on May 10, 2012 6:11:26 GMT 1
That system is very similar to the 830,40€ system you put together. It looks like you aren't guarenteed good quality parts like MSI or ASUS and the power supply is a bit small. I wouldn't chance it. |
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