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Post by swfwebmaster on Oct 1, 2011 18:09:03 GMT 1
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Post by swfwebmaster on Oct 1, 2011 18:47:59 GMT 1
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ghstrdr060
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Post by ghstrdr060 on Oct 1, 2011 19:01:28 GMT 1
So I have to start playing on a game console? Kind of reiterates that DICE is trying to pull more xbox and ps3 kids.
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Post by Spartan0536 on Oct 2, 2011 4:21:24 GMT 1
Remember this is not DICE that set this up, for the first time in 4 years a major FPS was made PC FIRST, the fact that Virgin Gaming is acting worse than their Airline counterpart is not surprising. BF3 has already been approved for more than 20 worldwide competitions including one of the most prominent for bragging rights and prizes that totals over 5 Million USD, MAJOR LEAGUE GAMING, Call of Duty will still have its winners however for the PC Genre BF3 has officially been slated as the primary FPS to battle on. While Virgin Gaming still seems to have their heads up their asses other communities still respect PC gamers and at least DICE still remembers who and what made them so successful.
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Post by pershainovitsh on Oct 2, 2011 13:40:17 GMT 1
for the first time in 4 years a major FPS was made PC FIRST, Do you really believe that? Sure, the PC version has 64 players and a bit bigger maps, but what are the cons? Origin being basically a spyware program (if you accept the terms and conditions, you allow Origin to go through all your files and send the info to third parties) EA created to compete against Steam. Then there's Battlelog, which could be good, but why not the traditional in-game menus, server browsers and bfhq's? And they messed up the squad system, which worked brilliantly in BF2. Now it only works through Battlelog, so it's not in-game anymore. I'm not even sure if you can manage squads during a match at all. And the squad size is 4. FOUR! Come one! What if I have four friends? One has to be without a squad? I don't know about PC, but at least the Xbox version still had the horribly stupid bug/design error which originated in BC2: if you are dead, pressing start won't bring up the menu. You have to be alive to access the menu. Why is it so? I should always be able to access my menus. It's irrelevant if I'm dead or alive inside the game, the menus should always be available. And what if I'm spawnkilled by an entire team? I can't exit the server then, as I don't have enough time to go to "exit game". But hey, finally we get this new feature called "commo rose"... There should be no question whether commo rose is in a Battlefield game or not. After a 100-page thread and 90 % of the poll voters (there were over 1000 votes) picking "yes, we need commo rose" DICE noticed BF3 missed a commo rose. Well, now we are getting it. But knowing what DICE does these days (takes what isn't broken and either makes them worse or removes completely) the new commo rose will probably suck. I don't expect it to be anything like the BF2 commo rose. There must be a way to make commo rose dysfunctional, and DICE will find it. Maybe it only has four directions so console users can use it? I think I'm getting BF3 for the Xbox 360. That way I don't have to install Origin. Battlefield 3 had so much potential, but what we have here is barely on the BC2 level. |
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Post by swfwebmaster on Oct 2, 2011 16:20:24 GMT 1
..., for the first time in 4 years a major FPS was made PC FIRST, ... Do you really believe that? I absolutely believe the last Battlefield game to be built for the PC platform was Battlefield 2142. Bad Company 2 was a Console Port and Battlefield 3 was built for consoles and demonstrated on PCs first to show off the graphics. The use of "Battlefield 2" and "PC platform" coined phases that were chanted for marketing purposes only. Oh, and to appease Battlefield Veterans. DICE spoke the coined phrases to give the old-timers enough hope and to place enough uncertainty in their minds to get them to buy the game. On 25 OCT 2011, the world will receive another console product. Because Bad Company 2 and Medal of Honor failed to dethrone Call of Duty, the Battlefield flagship is being sacrificed to go after COD market share. |
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Post by wobblyone on Oct 2, 2011 17:18:58 GMT 1
Scriv wrote:
'The last Battlefield game to be built for the PC platform was Battlefield 2142.'
I totally agree with all you guys are saying. You all know how much I loved BF2, so much so that when all the guys moved over to BC2 I spent a year playing 2142 !
However, BF2 is now 6 yrs old and (IMO) we have to look forward and play the best current FPS on the market. Which will be BF3.
The only true PC FPS today is ArmA2 which is brilliant, but a bit too serious/complex to have fun.
BF2 was perfect in every way. All we wanted was for it to be brought up to date with graphics, sound and destructable scenery. But this was not going to knock COD off the top spot.
I have accepted BC2 as it is, and am going to try and do the same with BF3.
If BF3 fails, it's back to 'Crash Bandicoot' LOL
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Post by madviper101 on Oct 2, 2011 22:10:17 GMT 1
I agree lets give BF3 a go before slating it. Ok much of the great funtionality we all loved in bf2 has gone alas. The graphics in the alpa and beta are abolutely awesum though. Looking at the menu's there appear to be many vehicles that will be available to us for the full game. Cant wait to try flying once again. I really hope this game will bring us together as a clan again. The only reason I invested in a new system was to be able to play this game and I am sure it will be able to deliver.
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Post by Spartan0536 on Oct 5, 2011 4:27:46 GMT 1
for the first time in 4 years a major FPS was made PC FIRST, Do you really believe that? Sure, the PC version has 64 players and a bit bigger maps, but what are the cons? Origin being basically a spyware program (if you accept the terms and conditions, you allow Origin to go through all your files and send the info to third parties) EA created to compete against Steam. Then there's Battlelog, which could be good, but why not the traditional in-game menus, server browsers and bfhq's? And they messed up the squad system, which worked brilliantly in BF2. Now it only works through Battlelog, so it's not in-game anymore. I'm not even sure if you can manage squads during a match at all. And the squad size is 4. FOUR! Come one! What if I have four friends? One has to be without a squad? I don't know about PC, but at least the Xbox version still had the horribly stupid bug/design error which originated in BC2: if you are dead, pressing start won't bring up the menu. You have to be alive to access the menu. Why is it so? I should always be able to access my menus. It's irrelevant if I'm dead or alive inside the game, the menus should always be available. And what if I'm spawnkilled by an entire team? I can't exit the server then, as I don't have enough time to go to "exit game". But hey, finally we get this new feature called "commo rose"... There should be no question whether commo rose is in a Battlefield game or not. After a 100-page thread and 90 % of the poll voters (there were over 1000 votes) picking "yes, we need commo rose" DICE noticed BF3 missed a commo rose. Well, now we are getting it. But knowing what DICE does these days (takes what isn't broken and either makes them worse or removes completely) the new commo rose will probably suck. I don't expect it to be anything like the BF2 commo rose. There must be a way to make commo rose dysfunctional, and DICE will find it. Maybe it only has four directions so console users can use it? I think I'm getting BF3 for the Xbox 360. That way I don't have to install Origin. Battlefield 3 had so much potential, but what we have here is barely on the BC2 level. First off, I don't believe I have met you before, if your a guest or a new recruit, welcome to the =SWF= Forums. Now onto matters at hand, there are inconsistencies and errors with your statement, did you actually read the FULL EULA when installing Origin or did you just see a forum post and go with it, I'm betting its the latter of the 2, how would I know this? I fully read the EULA after seeing forum posts about what you said and had my friend who is Pre-Law in his 3rd year read it as well, guess what, THE ONLY INFO THEY COLLECT IS YOUR SYSTEM SPECIFICATIONS AND CERTAIN EA PROGRAMS, & who do they send this info to for 3rd party, why don't you look up the Neilsen company and get back to me. As for commo-rose, yes they LISTENED TO THE COMMUNITY and we are getting what we asked for for that, be happy about it, and its not usually DICE that f**ks things up its their parent company EA. I apologize if this post back sounds too aggressive but when it comes to inaccuracies that get spread around like wildfire that are not true, it bothers me a great deal. Some people don't have the luxury of time to read articles or follow up on Developer Twitter replies about their new upcoming revolutionary game, so they get basic info from others who do the research and ask the questions, its our job to deliver accurate info so that people get a good representation of a game. Finally, any problems you experience in the BETA not a demo but the BETA WILL NOT be in release. The BETA is CONFIRMED BY DICE to be over 2 months old. The BETA is actually just 2 weeks newer than the Alpha that's how old it is, and DICE has learned TONS FROM us already. DICE and even EA has put TONS of time and money into this to be re-claimed as King of FPS's, I seriously doubt they are gonna f**k it up, even their new "hot patching" system works well. In BF2 it took 3-6 months for a new patch to fix things, now it takes 48-72 hours, I'm extremely impressed with DICE right now. REMEMBER we are playing a BETA right now, VOIP and Commo-Rose and even ranks and weapons are not fully integrated into this build, THIS IS NOT A REPRESENTATION OF THE FINAL PRODUCT, and for once I can actually believe that. |
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Post by pershainovitsh on Oct 5, 2011 13:35:49 GMT 1
No, you haven't met me before. I'm a new recruit. Thank you for the welcoming. You are right, I haven't read the full EULA. I have read some forum posts on the EAUK forum, plus articles on Rock Paper Shotgun. If it REALLY doesn't do anything else than just collect our personal information (anonymously?) about our systems to improve the stability and fix stuff, I guess I could buy BF3 and install Origin. But still, while Steam only collects information about Valve's products, Origin collects infrormation about everything on the computer? www.joystiq.com/2011/08/26/ea-revises-origin-eula-data-collection-is-still-in-collection/What does the "software usage" part mean? What if I work on my computer, do they store the information on any PDF files I have? If someone breaks into EA's database, couldn't they become compromised? Isn't this a bit too risky? Or do they just check if program X works on my computer and leave it there? They also mention collecting information about peripheral hardware. From what I've understood, that includes monitors, keyboards etc. Are there any risks on this? |
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Post by Spartan0536 on Oct 5, 2011 23:58:32 GMT 1
No there are no inherent risks on that, the peripheral hardware info they collect is to determine what kind of system you play on so that they can find out the Base, Average, and Maximum the community uses so that Games like Battlefield in the future can be better optimized without them having to go directly to 3rd party companies like Nielsen to post up polls in which they have to pay them millions for their research. Software Usage is limited by their TERMS OF SERVICE, they are allowed at any time just like STEAM to check what EA products you have but in Origins case it only applies to what they have on Origin, STEAM actually scans your systems hardware and any of its games you have installed, people seem to be fine with that. Not even the FBI is legally allowed to search your entire computer WITHOUT A SEARCH ORDER FROM A JUDGE, if EA scanned everything in your computer they would be in violation of the 1st Amendment and believe me despite how well EA does they could not afford that kind of lawsuit. Here is the EXACT SNIPPET from their TOS on Origin. Consent to Collection and Use of Data. EA knows that you care how information about you is collected, used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and sensibly. Information about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines. We and agents acting on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or to enforce EA’s legal rights. In addition to information that you give EA directly, EA collects nonpersonally identifiable (or anonymous) information for purposes of improving our products and services, providing services to you, facilitating the provision of software updates, dynamically served content and product support as well as communicating with you. The non-personally identifiable information that EA collects includes technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address) and operating system, as well as information about your Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware. As noted above, this information is gathered periodically for purposes such as improving our products and services, troubleshooting bugs, and otherwise enhancing your user experience. This and all other data provided to EA and/or collected by EA in connection with your installation and use of this Application is collected, used, stored and transmitted in accordance with EA’s Privacy Policy located at www.ea.com. To the extent that anything in this section conflicts or is inconsistent with the terms of EA’s Privacy Policy, the terms of the Privacy Policy shall control. |
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Post by swfwebmaster on Oct 6, 2011 10:59:50 GMT 1
...I apologize if this post back sounds too aggressive ... Spartan, That was pretty heavy handed for a recruit we are trying to befriend. The wording on the EA Terms of Service (TOS) for Origin seemed to be too intrusive. Here is what I wrote on 25 AUG 2011 reference this topic: |
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Post by pershainovitsh on Oct 6, 2011 13:19:43 GMT 1
It was pretty aggressive, apologize accepted.
I guess I was wrong and misunderstood the whole EULA thing. And since Origin isn't so evil after all, I should start thinking of upgrading my OS. I guess the two AMD Athlon 64 x2 dual core processor 6000+'s I already have would be enough? And my Nvidia GeForce 9800 (I know, it's pretty old.)? I guess I could spend a couple hundred euros on a new one, but would it run at all with that?
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